Wake Up with Susan

Finding Freedom

• Susan Sutherland

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One of the key components in my journey this go round is finding freedom.  When I am in the shadow frequency in any situation, it feels like a cage. My personal journey is one to freedom in all aspects of my life - time freedom, financial freedom, freedom from attachments, and the freedom from the constraintss of limiting beliefs. This episode is my journey into freedom on my vacation and the harsh confronting of all of the things that felt like the cage on my return!

You may not share this as a theme in your life, but financial and time freedom is something we all say that we want.  Is how we are investing our time and money now in alignment with that goal? Let's talk about the distinction between active and passive income, and how embracing more passive income streams can set you on path to financial freedom. I'll share my own experiences, including the unexpected property repairs that have me revisiting my own goals.  And I want to urge you to invest your time in ways that have that long term vision in mind.  Choose to follow passions, study, learn and read instead of binging show after show!

Thanks for listening!

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Rise and shine everybody. It's time to wake up with Susan. Spiritual awakening can be a beautiful, messy and sometimes lonely journey, so let's do it together. I'm your host, susan Sutherland. I'm an intuitive healer and spiritual mentor. We are all called to rise up above our conditioning and limiting beliefs and shine our light on ourselves and others. So let's get to it. Hey, family, thanks for joining me today.

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Today we're going to talk about freedom, and I feel like it's going to be a bit of a ramble because I have so much that I kind of want to cover and talk about and try to pull together in some way, but I'm not writing notes on it, so we're just going to see how this goes. But before I talk about freedom which for me seems to be the theme of my existence is finding freedom. So that's what we're going to talk about. But I want to tell you about. We're going to talk about, but I want to tell you about the thing that has inspired the most hope in me in so long. I want to share it with you. So on my drive that I do all the time down 485, there is a billboard that says Jesus, your only way to God, and I see this daily and it freaking hurts my heart Like it hurts me because we're studying in A Course in Miracles. I feel like me and Jesus are as close as ever and I'm just saying he would you know how political candidates say I approve this message. I don't think he would approve that message based on our understanding of his teachings and what has come up in A Course in Miracles. But every day I pass by the sign and it just bothers me so much because it is just proof of the continued indoctrination and fear-based teaching of the church and it just, it just freaking irritates me because people see that and then that is how their heart. Is this, this god, to be fearful of? But also, I'm doing it the right way and you're doing it the wrong way, and that is part of what is going on on a global scale is my way is right and your way is wrong? And let's you know, go to war and fight about it. But listen to this y'all, because if this is not a seed of hope for a shift and a change in how we are going to approach things, I don't know what is All right.

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So, pope Francis, the head of the Catholic Church, I am not Catholic. I have never been Catholic, but of a lot of the things I've read, the Catholic indoctrination like Neil Donald Walsh is one of my favorite authors channels indoctrination like neil donald walsh is one of my favorite authors, channels um. And he talks about like not even he wasn't supposed to go and be an altar boy at someone else's wedding because it wasn't in the catholic church and his sister, his nun, said he would essentially be condemned to eternal damnation for that. Now that was years past. It may be changed. There may be some, some new versions of Catholicism. I am not part of it so I do not know. I just know the Pope is way on up there, way on up there at the top, and this is what Pope Francis said.

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All religions are paths to reach God. They are, to make a comparison, like different languages, different dialects to get there, but God is God for everyone. Oh, my goodness gracious, that is a turning of the tide. For the head of a religion to say your way is also a path to God. We need more like that. And it reminds me excuse me, I'm choking over here. It reminds me of reading the book of joy with the Dalai Lama and Archbishop Tutu. You know, sharing communion and sharing meditation and really respecting the other person's path to the same destination, which is back to God, back to source, back to love, which is what God is and what you are. We just get lost in this human I am right and you are wrong ego battle.

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So the Pope also said. So the Pope also said, full of thorns and weeds. There is always a space in which the good seed can grow. Y'all, I love him, I love Pope Francis. And isn't that what church is supposed to be? A place for you to go and have your seed watered and have the light of community and the light of of gathering and song and sermon, that light to nourish your seed. That is what church is for, and if you choose to go to this one and not that one or this one resonates with you and that, like it, doesn't matter. It is just ways for you to to find a, a path to nourish your seed.

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And in respecting somebody else's path, we can lose our need to. You know, go to war and fight or shun or say you know you can't have mosque services on the radio in this city, or can you believe they allowed it? I mean, I see this stuff coming up and it's like nobody's making you pray five times a day. But if that is how they find connection, let's honor and respect it. So I just found that to be the best news ever and I'm really excited about that. That feels like hope to me, it feels like a shift and a change, and I am here for it. So I hope that makes you feel as good as it makes me feel. But all right.

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So I want to talk about freedom, and there's so many different layers and levels of freedom, but I know, for me personally, when I am in a shadow frequency, it is often of feeling caged, of feeling um, tied down or restricted, and so that is one of the things I bring into this lifetime to work through is this, this needing to feel free, and so it's no surprise that this trip that I went on was an amplifier, and in so many ways. But what I also want to tell you is to be really honest with you about how uncomfortable it was for me to return, and I left going on a trip and loved my life. I loved the life that I have created for myself. I'm very happy. I'm very happy with my family, with my home, with, you know, having flexibility to do activities and be creative.

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I love this life, and what happens when you love something is a lot of times you can get stagnant. There's there's not a huge push to be as productive or do things in a certain way as when you're uncomfortable. You know, uncomfortability can either lead you to, you know, collapse, where you just lay there and do nothing and victim mode, feel sorry for yourself, or it can make you really understand that you need to take steps in a different direction. Well, I wasn't uncomfortable, I was very, very comfortable, and so there are steps I have been guided to take for over a year now that I was not taking because I was comfortable. And so I went on a trip and I became just immersed in this thought of what freedom is, and then my homecoming was a freaking disaster, so, but the kind of disaster that has propelled me forward. So I'm kind of getting all over the place.

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But I'll tell you that my trip started like this my sister-in-law knows that I volunteer for hospice and go and hang out with my hospice guy, and then I really enjoy that out with my hospice guy, and then I really enjoyed that. And she asked me if I've ever read The Top Five Regrets of the Dying by Bronnie Ware? And I had not, and so right before my trip, we saw them and she brought me this book. Now, fortunately, I started this book on the plane because it turns out what I thought was going to be a month long you know reading and journaling and whatever was not that. We had to go to the river to cool off in the afternoon because there's no air conditioning in our tent and we need to take a cool dip, and so I actually read one book the entire time. I took many because that's what I thought I was going to do is have downtime for reading, but it worked out perfectly because it planted all the seeds that it needed for me to be having these contemplations throughout the month.

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So you know what the book is about. It's Bronnie's. it's her story. She was working in palliative care and as a caregiver for people in their last days, and so these are the messages that kept coming up for her and some stories of her patients and how these messages came through about what they regretted either doing or not doing, focusing on or not focusing on in those last days, and so that is the nuts and bolts of the book.

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However, what hit my heart was about Bronnie herself and her journey. And it was interesting because she's in Australia but we have caregivers here who are in-house caregivers, and that's what she was doing for a little while and I resonated with her so much in that. Part of why she did this was to not be tied down, to not have an apartment. She didn't have things. She went and lived in their home and then, when they passed, you know, she might stay with a friend for a few days, a couple of weeks, while she found a referral to the next person and she would move into their house. And so as I'm reading about these, you know important tips from the dying.

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What is sitting with me is how jealous I am that she has no attachments, that she is able to live a life of service and be completely free. And it's really interesting because I'm going to tell you if that happened for me, where all of a sudden everything was gone, I don't know that I would feel as free about it, but I was reading with utter jealousy of her, of of these non-attachments, this non-attached life, that she had a van with a bed in the back and she could just go away for the weekend, and you know so anyway. So this is the only book I read, and it was just planting all of these seeds for me to think about. Now, one of the beautiful things about how we have crafted our life, how we have intentionally created our life, is by really focusing on financial freedom freedom, and I have a lot of young listeners, and so I'm going to tell you something that I think should be required reading in high school Rich Dad, poor Dad, by Robert Kiyosaki.

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You absolutely must understand. Learn and understand active versus passive income. It is so imperative that you understand how to make your money work for you as opposed to working for your money, because he uses the term the rat race, which is really what this is. But we kind of get ourselves in a position where you get a job and as you make more money, you increase your expenses, so you get a nicer car, or you get a bigger, and as you make more money, you increase your expenses, so you get a nicer car, or you get a bigger house, and then you have to make more money because you have higher expenses, but you're never actually building this. You know huge cushion so that you could back away from your work, and so it's really important as early as possible. But it doesn't matter how old you are. It is not too late to start understanding passive versus active income.

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So when we went away, I did not do readings and healings. Readings and healings are active income. I have to actively participate in that session. So if I'm not here, I am not doing a session for somebody, so that active income is gone right. I am basically taking a month unpaid vacation from that job. However, we have rentals and the rentals the people are going to live in the houses or office in the commercial buildings. They are going to be there whether or not I'm in town or not. They're sending me rent whether I'm in town or not. So that is passive income If you or not. So that is passive income If you.

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I'm trying to think if you have created videos and reached a threshold to where you are making money from people watching your TikToks or your YouTube channel, that can be passive income. It is active when you are in the process of creating it and it is passive at the point that you're not doing anything and still collecting royalties for that. And so I know with some digital creators, there are websites where you can take your digital art, like Creative Fabrica, and upload it. So you do the work, but once you upload it, it can be downloaded by many, many, many people and you continue to make money in a passive way. You're not doing anything. You can automate those sales and still make money, and so it's really important, as you think about how you're spending your time and your money now, to understand that, in order to gain financial freedom, which leads to time freedom, it is really important to think about how to make your money work for you instead of you working for your money, and so perhaps that's investing in the stock market, perhaps it is creating courses that could be downloaded there are so many avenues now or investing in real estate, which is what we do, and it creates passive income.

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And so while we were away, I was still getting paid for my job my job as being a landlord. That was still paying me. Now here's some fun things. This is fun. I was told a while ago by my guides to streamline my real estate, and I have been hesitant because things were comfortable and things were easier, and so I drag my feet a lot of times. I can procrastinate with the best of them. And if it feels itchy or complicated like bookkeeping sometimes, I get way behind in because I don't like doing it and I don't feel like I'm good at it and it's not fun and uplifting for me. Well, all I have to do is hire a bookkeeper. There is somebody who is very good at that? Well, who would like to pay me me to pay them to get that taken care of? All I have to do is freaking, find it and get it transitioned. But have I? No, I have not, and so a lot of the things that I've been told that I need to do to create an got to have opportunities to remind me of what I was advised to do.

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So while I was gone, I think, we had two roof leaks, we had two plumbing problems, two HVAC issues, and these are all at different places. Now this does not happen for me. I don't. I'm not a slumlord. My places are in great condition, like things don't typically go wrong. So I very much know that this was intentional, that these things happened right when I like all within a month, right when I was like all within a month. I had more repair issues in one month than I had probably for three years prior. But that's okay, because you know what I'm not. I'm not a roofer, I'm not a plumber, I'm not an HVAC repairman. I didn't need to be here to do any of those things, and I did have somebody who is just like a dream come true, who helps me here, and so he was kind of navigating and taking care of all of those things. Thank goodness, because the national parks don't even have cell phone service, so he was helping me with those.

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But it was just a reminder for me that my goal is to shift to make my passive income passiver. That's not a word, I'm making it up, it's going to be more passive. So now I've got my set up really good. However, there is a way for me to make it even easier to open up more bandwidth for me to do things I love, and that is by shifting some of my properties out of residential into commercial. We've got a couple of triple net commercial leases where we pay the mortgage and they pay everything else. They pay us rent, they pay insurance, they pay repairs, landscaping, anything. So as far as passive goes, that's like my next level. My next step up to passive income is to shift into this commercial, and so this was kind of a reminder while I was away that I knew that was my direction last fall and we have not taken the steps I needed to, and I kind of needed that, that nudge I needed for things to be a little uncomfortable, for me to be like, okay, okay, okay, I get it, I get it. And so that all happened while I was away, and so I am focusing now on doing what I need to do and evaluating the properties to see which ones I will shift right now which I should hang on to for a little bit. But before I had that situation happen, I wasn't even evaluating it because I was comfortable in the status quo of just going along.

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So for financial freedom, please, please. If you haven't read Rich Dad, poor Dad, just read it. It's a great story of just understanding money and how to make it work for you. And having money is not a bad thing. If you're sitting here like you know, I'm not comfortable with that then you've got some money blocks and money work to do, and I hear you because that has been probably a five-year journey for me to be comfortable with. Money is just energy. Having it is not bad. How I choose to use. It could be perceived as good or bad, but the more I have, the more I can do good with, and so I am aligning myself with a very abundant energy so that I can take these vacations, or so that I can really help out other people, so that I can do a podcast that doesn't pay me any money, because I hope that it benefits somebody. But I have to have this time and this freedom to do this, and so I am really trying to embrace that, and I hope you will too.

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Another really great book that I think should be required reading for high schoolers is the Go-Giver Let me. I think it's by Bob Berg, and it's just this cute little fable, but it is also about the energy of intention, and sometimes, when you are doing good and putting things out for the right reasons, that is when a lot of success can come your way. But it's a cute little story, it's a very fast read, but I highly recommend that too, because having financial freedom just not being burdened by worrying where money is coming from is it is it's the best thing ever, right? It is the best thing ever to not have to worry about money, and so it is something I want for each and every one of you is to be able to focus your energy somewhere else and let money just be something that is and not something you have to worry about. All right, so the next part of freedom is time freedom, and it's something a lot of us struggle with, and it is something that, when you can start working on and understanding that time freedom is something you seek, you will start paying more attention to how you are spending your time.

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And I know you know what I ordered yesterday. I ordered something called the brick. Me to do was to allow my phone to be used for productive things and like limiting other things. I don't know I'm going to report back about how this works but I know for me there is a lot of stuff I want to get done. Right now, especially because I have had the fire lit under my feet. I feel very much in a direction of getting stuff done that I have procrastinated on, and yet I will still find my thumb scrolling on my phone without even wanting to Like. It has become so habitual and I was not like that for a long time, but I'm going to cut it out. So I ordered something called the Brick to help me take back my time.

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I do not think all of your time needs to be spent doing. I think there is plenty that is productive about having downtime. I just don't think scrolling is that kind of downtime. I don't think that's what that is. I think that's wasted time and so I'm going to take my time back. But when we think about time freedom not just being able to take a month off, because that's you know, that's not something we've ever done before. That was a one-time thing that we were able to do. But I do really value having time for exercise in my week and being able to play tennis or go to my kids' activities and not feel like I should be doing something else. And so having time freedom is extremely important to me.

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And when I got back I mean that's when I'm telling you it really felt like I came into this house and like the cage door closed behind me and I went from having all of this freedom of not having a schedule and not having I don't know. I just felt so freaking free. And then I came back into this house and it was like the cage door shut and I was like, holy hell, this is not cool. And so now, um, I spent a month really battling myself and trying to understand what. What was the freedom that I felt and why do I feel confined now? Because those are the nuggets, those are the triggers that I was supposed to have so that I start taking these intentional steps to not wait until I can live my nomad life, which is coming when I launch these children. But I can create some of this now by acknowledging okay, what did you have and what are you missing? Because you were happy when you left and now you've gotten back and you feel captive.

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So what do we need to address? Well, I need to stop saying yes to stuff that's not yeses. I need to stop, and I had gotten a lot better about this. But when you start looking at your time freedom, it's like wait a second. Why do I have back to back to back this scheduled, when I could have removed this and just had time to breathe in the four activities that I don't have a choice but to do and most of those are still get-tos? I get to take my son to the doctor this afternoon. I don't have to worry about a copay. I know that he's getting great care. I don't have to check in with my boss to leave and take off early to take him to the doctor. I understand that that's an opportunity that I have not to worry about this and I'm happy with that. But I have to stop committing to the things where it's like wait a second, why did you say yes to that?

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There's too much on my plate and so I've really been trying to be very intentional about my yeses, about what we're saying yes to. And it's tricky because Mark would have friends over every Friday, saturday and Sunday. He likes a busy schedule and then we'll be like a busy schedule and then we'll be like we just never have any downtime. But I'm resisting as needed because I definitely need that downtime, especially if we are connecting during the day. Even if it's not like hanging out partying we ain't partying, we're too old for partying, we're not partying. But even if it's like hanging out with friends and being social, I have to like be deliberate about when that is and how I'm sharing my energy, because the rest of the time still is. You know, you're on during the day when you're working with clients or even, you know, with school activities with kids. So I'm just looking at my schedule and being careful and deliberate and knowing that time freedom is really important to me.

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But that has also been a great motivator for me to finally do some of the stuff that I had been procrastinating because it does feel icky and hard for me to do. Now I have that motivation where I really do want to streamline certain things and leverage technologies that I have access to, I've paid for, and I'm not leveraging certain things that automate things. Even like I haven't been posting about the podcast, a couple days after I share the podcast I'll go and upload a post on my Instagram and that's all I've been doing because I haven't been. I haven't been, you know, clipping a reel or doing anything, because everything just felt burdensome and that's so stupid. Well, you know why it does Because I don't have templates made to make things easier. And so one of the things I've done since I got back I mean I'll confess I let a month of swirl happen before I started really understanding what this was all meant to teach me and start taking deliberate actions.

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And so now I'm working with a coach once a week to really undo some of the steps I had taken in my business, because I feel like I was working with somebody and just you know, first you do this, this and this, and so I would go check, check, check. First you do this, this and this, and so I would go check, check, check. But it wasn't necessarily aligned with me and my values and how I want to grow my business or direct my time and my energy, and so I was just kind of following her template for what worked for her and that's not what works for me. And so the first part of my journey right now to get my time back is undoing a lot of the stuff that I did so that I can take the appropriate steps in the right direction down my path, not her path, and that feels really good to me. And so I'm trying to go slow. And like what do they say slow? And like, um, what do they say?

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There is a quote that says you know a thousand steps taken in the wrong direction. Just, I know that's not it at all, but you get what I'm saying. It doesn't matter if you plunge ahead. If you plunge ahead on the wrong path, you still have to walk that much further back to restart. And so I'm starting from a place of okay, let me start with. What are my values? What am I trying to build here? What is the core of my business, which has to, for me, start with freedom.

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I still want the freedom to do things, and so, whereas this individual is saying, you know, do 40 sessions a week to do this and do that, it's like that is so not aligned with the life I'm creating, and um, and so I had to reset and so now I am focused on creating that time freedom by doing things properly, in the right way and leveraging technology and resources that I have. But it means kind of rolling back and that's okay, and so you know, we have to do that sometimes. And if that means rolling back and saying, hey, I made a commitment, that I was going to do this and I'm sorry, I'm a little in over my head, I'm going to have to pull back from that. I think sometimes the rolling back, it is complicated, but once you do it, oh my goodness, it's a game changer. So think about what you've got going on in your life and if there are steps, and if there are steps, deliberate steps that you can take right now to really ensure that you have time Like what is valuable to you, we have started not started because it's been a while now that we order factor meals and those are individual meals, but for a little while we were doing Green Chef or HelloFresh and the meal kits arrive and then I'm making a meal for my family that has meat and I don't eat meat.

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Maybe I'm making a second meal for me and it just got complicated and hard and it was like we want healthy food. But this is not leveraging my time appropriately and so now I can order like a pescetarian meal, make a meal for them, heat up mine in the microwave, done so, just little things like that. When you start and think, start. And when you stop to think where do I feel time burdened and how can I work to alleviate that? And maybe you have a neighbor and you say, hey, I'm making a lasagna on Tuesday and they're going to make something else, and you double the recipe and then swap. Maybe that is a way that you know you have one night of cooking and two nights of meals and maybe a third night of leftovers. And so really think about where you feel pulled and what are some smart steps you can take to take back your time. And then, when you take back your time, do not let your thumb take over and start scrolling social media, because you can do better. And do better might be to take a course you're really interested in or, you know, start writing if that is a calling for you.

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It doesn't have to be something that would end up generating you money, but when you start following passions, a lot of times that's what's happened. That's what happens, I know, in COVID. That is when I learned about real estate. I got my real estate license. I really focused on using my extra time that I had then on growing skills, because we knew that having this financial and time freedom was really a focus for us. And so as my kids were older and I had a little more time and then we had COVID and I had too much time it was really important for me to leverage that time productively, and that's what I did. And so when you have extra time that you can put into a passion, a lot of times you will start watering your own seed and seeing what can grow Like. Maybe you're interested in taking up a hobby, but as you do that, you meet new people, and so it's really important that you carve out that time, but then you use it for something that will really nourish you All right. So the other thing that kept coming up with freedom for me while we were traveling and with Bronnie's book is this freedom from attachments.

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And so when I came home, I mean it was so nice, we all had a duffel bag. We had a duffel bag and then we had this thick plastic box. I don't know. I think we had four boxes for five people that had extra things, and mine had a ton of books that I didn't read in them because I didn't get around to reading. But that's what I prioritized for my box. I had to take in my box that we didn't have access to all the time. So that's why you put the things in your box that were in the back of the truck.

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I had books and I had winter clothes, because I did look ahead and see that it was going to be really cold, and so when they were struggling, I was prepared, because I get cold very easily. So I had my toboggan and my gloves and my wool socks, but that's what was in my box in the truck. But we also had this Patagonia duffel bag and it's a it's a pretty big bag bag, but we use storage compartments and I was able to pack a month's worth of clothes for us to have while we were gone. And this is, you know, swimsuits and shorts and hiking shorts and you know whatever. We didn't have a ton of fancy clothes because this was not that kind of trip and we did do wash every little bit.

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But having that made me realize how little I need, how little I need. We had everything we needed for a month in a duffel bag and then I come home to all of these things and the things felt like the chains, the chains to everything, and so I started getting rid of all my stuff, like just just boatloads of stuff going out. And then I packed when we went to New York and I had nothing to pack except like it was either a heavy sweater or a tank top and nothing in between. And Mark was like, well, that's what happens when you get rid of all of your clothes. So there is a fine line between over purging and having too many things, but it made it made me realize that I do want to be, especially as we approach. I mean, it's I have a fifth grader. It's not like I will have launched my birds anytime soon, but they're still in the nest. But I still I want to take steps on the path of living this nomadic life when they leave, where I can just travel and go around, and so I do want to be very intentional with the things that I buy. But it also made me realize that things are, you know, kind of I think I've even done an episode before things are the strings that bind like. This is the stuff that holds us back. But I also got, you know, poor Mark.

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I came home and and our relationship felt like an attachment, everything felt like an attachment after being so free, and I just needed to really have that month of contemplation of what does freedom feel like me and the things that feel burdensome. It's because there was something I needed to learn from that, and so I had to take a lot of intentional time, sitting with that energy and understanding what needed to shift and what I need to work through or release to have a new relationship. Because I can't just hit the road right now. I'm not going to take off in my sprinter van, which I don't have yet, but I really want one. I haven't taken off in a sprinter van yet, and so this is the life that I am here and I want to feel that freedom, I want to feel that independence and that I don't know the excitement of not being tied down.

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I want to feel that, even though I'm here at a permanent address, and so it's been really kind of understanding what are the good and the bad aspects and kind of leaning into what we're doing right and kind of cleaning up what we're not or what needs to be streamlined. And I mean, I was told last fall to streamline my real estate business and I waited, you know nine months and had done nothing, and so I needed all the houses to break and to have this kind of experience to start shifting what we're doing with that. And so when you are going through a struggle, it is just to get your attention, pay attention. There is just something you need to extract from it. Um, it it's not personal, it's just lesson, and so you've got to figure it out. I'm not sitting there going like what's this? So it's like, girl, you just got to clean it up. So let's see, is that all I want to talk about? Freedom? Um, I think so.

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It's really important to understand that you're creating your, you are the creator of your life, and so really evaluate how you spend your money, how you spend your time, so that you're creating a life that feels free, that feels good, that feels like you're in charge and can be creative and passionate and purposeful in your existence. And so, anyway, all right. I love you, friends. I hope you take those seeds of hope with you that the world is changing, and I know it can seem heavy and hard, but there's a lot of good out there and you're part of it. I love you. Have a good week. Hey friends, it only takes a second to leave a five-star rating. Don't have time to write a review. That's okay, because clicking five stars takes no longer than clicking one star. So if you listened, you enjoyed it and you found this at all helpful. Take a moment and leave me a rating on your favorite podcast app. Have a great week.

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